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Would Ayn Rand submit to airport security?
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His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-06-22 17:19:36 UTC
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On 25/11/2010 21:12, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits
I guess you have to put in the right perspective such as "Would
Jesus... this or that?"
Rand is the "prophet of individualism," so how would she submit to the
common good? Some talk-show host was claiming yesterday that flying is
a PRIVILEGE, not a right. He makes sense. I guess YOU CAN WORK HARD
ENOUGH AND HAVE YOUR OWN PRIVATE JET, right?
I'm the Wise TibetanMonkey with the old-fashioned rhythm of nature,
which goes at the pace of a bicycle. I don't need to travel that much
either. I like steamships though. "Royal Caribbean" sounds nice.
Calypso playing in the background. I think people in the Caribbean are
really closer to Paradise, in the little islands anyway. They got
bananas, coconuts and possibly a hammock --if they have my wisdom.
Now I want you to answer the question.
I don't know about that, but she submitted to Medicare and Social
Security in old age. Markets work until they don't.
Old people are a socialist crowd, if you take into account that Medicare and SS are sort of socialist institutions.

It's not denying those benefits but the motor behind the "elderly voting machine" (they are a biggest chunk of the voting population carefully courted by politicians) is socialism.

And they can't even get working sidewalks to be on their resume.
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-06-23 17:37:27 UTC
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Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On 25/11/2010 21:12, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits
I guess you have to put in the right perspective such as "Would
Jesus... this or that?"
Rand is the "prophet of individualism," so how would she submit to the
common good? Some talk-show host was claiming yesterday that flying is
a PRIVILEGE, not a right. He makes sense. I guess YOU CAN WORK HARD
ENOUGH AND HAVE YOUR OWN PRIVATE JET, right?
I'm the Wise TibetanMonkey with the old-fashioned rhythm of nature,
which goes at the pace of a bicycle. I don't need to travel that much
either. I like steamships though. "Royal Caribbean" sounds nice.
Calypso playing in the background. I think people in the Caribbean are
really closer to Paradise, in the little islands anyway. They got
bananas, coconuts and possibly a hammock --if they have my wisdom.
Now I want you to answer the question.
I don't know about that, but she submitted to Medicare and Social
Security in old age. Markets work until they don't.
Old people are a socialist crowd, if you take into account that Medicare and SS are sort of socialist institutions.
It's not denying those benefits but the motor behind the "elderly voting machine" (they are a biggest chunk of the voting population carefully courted by politicians) is socialism.
And they can't even get working sidewalks to be on their resume.
On 22/06/2013 18:13, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 25/11/2010 21:12, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits
I guess you have to put in the right perspective such as "Would
Jesus... this or that?"
Rand is the "prophet of individualism," so how would she submit to the
common good? Some talk-show host was claiming yesterday that flying is
a PRIVILEGE, not a right. He makes sense. I guess YOU CAN WORK HARD
ENOUGH AND HAVE YOUR OWN PRIVATE JET, right?
I'm the Wise TibetanMonkey with the old-fashioned rhythm of nature,
which goes at the pace of a bicycle. I don't need to travel that much
either. I like steamships though. "Royal Caribbean" sounds nice.
Calypso playing in the background. I think people in the Caribbean are
really closer to Paradise, in the little islands anyway. They got
bananas, coconuts and possibly a hammock --if they have my wisdom.
Now I want you to answer the question.
I don't know about that, but she submitted to Medicare and Social
Security in old age. Markets work until they don't.
Old people are a socialist crowd, if you take into account that Medicare and SS are sort of socialist institutions.
It's not denying those benefits but the motor behind the "elderly voting machine" (they are a biggest chunk of the voting population carefully courted by politicians) is socialism.
And they can't even get working sidewalks to be on their resume.
It is well remarked over here that we have capitalism for the poor and
socialism for the rich. I am a rabid socialist: I love my free bus pass.
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Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
Yeah, "comrade," and we need socialist public transportation as well. ;)

(I mean MORE public transportation)
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
| Simple solution to it. Throw enough billboards up with old people
| flipping the bird, captioned with, "FUCK THE CHILDREN, DON'T TOUCH
| SS/MEDICARE/whatever other program you want to put up" and put it in
| enough major cities, and the message will get across.
|
| Granny will have to explain to little Billy why his future should be
| destroyed just to pay for her present, because she was too fucking
| stupid to save for her own, instead spending it all on booze and weed
| for 40 years.
|
Hey, my great grand daddy felt like that and you were both right then -
but this is now. I started paying into SS when I was 13 years old and
paid the max over half the time. That money went to support my parents'
generation and now y'all young-uns are supporting mine. And someday
somebody'll be supporting you. No, it isn't fair to make youth support
the parents who supported them but it's a done deal. Gimmee back the
money I paid in in uninflated dollars, plus interest, and we'll call it
square ... OK? Remember a new car cost under $2000 when I started paying.
And btw, most didn't spend it all on booze and weed, we sent some spoiled
brats to college to learn basket weaving and how to whine.
Nevertheless Social Security is a socialist institution. If you want private enterprise pay into 401K. That's more like real capitalism. Those who made the mistake NOT to pay into it have the option of euthanasia.

Now the big question --one carefully avoid by those on SS-- is who pays for a GROWING ELDERLY POPULATION. At one point in time, politicians will have to drop the bullshit and face reality. And then they'll be out of office...

Perhaps Ayn Rand would have a solution --other than euthanasia.

Check it out:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/02/05/social-security-retirement-benefits-column/1891155/

and

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/04/abolish_the_401k/

I like this:

"In these defined contribution plans, savings by individual workers received favorable tax treatment. But the risks, including risks from poor investments and the chance that you will retire during a stock market downturn, fall entirely on the individual. Even worse, many working-class and middle-class Americans with 401Ks are stealthily fleeced by money managers, who charge high and often difficult-to-find fees for allocating retirement money among stocks, bonds and other assets."

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So the "money managers" (it sounds like the "money changers") are fleecing the sheep who believed in capitalism, right?
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-06-24 14:45:06 UTC
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I guess you have to put in the right perspective such as "Would
Jesus... this or that?"
Rand is the "prophet of individualism," so how would she submit to the
common good? Some talk-show host was claiming yesterday that flying is
a PRIVILEGE, not a right. He makes sense. I guess YOU CAN WORK HARD
ENOUGH AND HAVE YOUR OWN PRIVATE JET, right?
I'm the Wise TibetanMonkey with the old-fashioned rhythm of nature,
which goes at the pace of a bicycle. I don't need to travel that much
either. I like steamships though. "Royal Caribbean" sounds nice.
Calypso playing in the background. I think people in the Caribbean are
really closer to Paradise, in the little islands anyway. They got
bananas, coconuts and possibly a hammock --if they have my wisdom.
Now I want you to answer the question.
NOTE: The "mood" was helped by "Key West" beer and '20-'30's jazz.
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My GF just lost $5K in a week. Oh well, LIFE IN THE JUNGLE...

She closed it and that's it. We don't need money to retire. We NEED SPACE to ride a bike and remain active. That's a rare commodity in America. I don't think many people are that lucky. I don't mean space to drive. We all have that.

But most of the elderly population don't think that way. They are driven into petty monetary issues and not the freedom to roam free. It doesn't have to be a bicycle. It could be a motorcycle or NEV, anything outside of the cage.

When did the elderly stop being wise and started being greedy and mean, unwilling to consider the needs of future generations?

Deep, deep thoughts.
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-06-24 16:05:31 UTC
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On 6/22/2013 1:17 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Medicare and SS are sort of socialist institutions.
Old people did not go to the government demanding Medicare and SS. These
programs were forced on them by socialist elected officials.
Whoever gave it to them, and for whatever reason, try taking it back. ;)
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
It's not denying those benefits but the motor behind the "elderly
voting machine" (they are a biggest chunk of the voting population
carefully courted by politicians) is socialism.
The biggest chunk of voters they court is the non-working (not retired) and
non-taxpaying classes. Increasing socialism and "free stuff" is a good
thing in their shortsighted view.
It would make sense that the Right appealed to the greedy ones --the elders-- while the Left appealed to the hopeful ones --the younger ones without a future.

But the younger ones must face the reality that America is not the same place of 50 years ago. Nobody even cares about litter anymore and the homeless occupy communities. If the poor could they would move to gated communities.

Once you make it to a gated community you can truly say "Fuck the world!"
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-06-25 15:12:51 UTC
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Granny will explain that her future was destroyed the same way since the
money she would have saved was _taken_ from her (and her employer) by the
government for the Social Security Ponzi scheme. Now instead of living
well on a lifetime of investments, she has to subsist on what little she
can get back from the scheme. And Billy, that's your future, too.
Granny will also have to explain that while she has already received
many multiple in value in benefits to what she has paid in, that she
deserves MORE on the backs of her grandkids.
People get dimmer with age -except of the philopher-- and granny thought that SS was her lifesaver after a life of struggle. She may not even know about 401K and that that is not very safe in itself. I think we have made the system too complicated for people to even understand it.

But Medicare is even more of a scheme, where the elderly are kept alive on medicine cocktails and hospitals. Nobody's asking why the elders are a hot commodity for the Medical Industry.
To this, my response is: Fuck Granny. SS is set to go bankrupt when I
am 64, so I don't anticipate ever seeing a penny. Instead, I put double
digit percentages of my income into IRAs and 401Ks. Smoked and drank
your retirement age? Fuck you, door's to your left, make sure to throw
a sheet over yourself as you fall in the mass ditch. I'll be by to kick
a mound of dirt over your sorry ass next weekend.
OK, let's make this deal:

You invest on a 401K and if your savings disappear... you just jump off a bridge. It's very simple.
I have zero pity for those who are either stupid enough to think they
wouldn't have to save for retirement, those that knew they should but
instead pretended the Great Big God Government Check would reward them
just because they didn't choke on a pretzel by the time they hit 65 or
especially the ones that smoke and drank their retirement away in the
name of "Peace, Love and Freedom, MANNNNNNNNNNNN!"
The stupid ones are carefully nurtured by democracy so they make uninformed decisions. They are the core of the voting machine.

See how the voting machine works:

"In the last four national elections, generational differences have mattered more than they have in decades. According to the exit polls, younger people have voted substantially more Democratic than other age groups in each election since 2004, while older voters have cast more ballots for Republican candidates in each election since 2006."

http://www.people-press.org/2011/11/03/the-generation-gap-and-the-2012-election-3/

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So it seems that as people age they get dimmer and more Republican...
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-06-26 14:55:30 UTC
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"His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher"
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
So it seems that as people age they get dimmer and more Republican...
Actually as they get older, get jobs, generate wealth, pay taxes, they get
more mature and wise and vote Republican. Weren't all the boomers liberal
hippie's in the 60's. Well most of them are conservatives now. They got
smart.
If you are talking about being smart they wouldn't even vote. The hippies weren't stupid either. They simply didn't want to go to war and rather make love.

How smart are our elders? They can't even make love anymore and are just trying to pass that money earned through so much struggle to the "loved ones," who simply don't appreciate it. At least they should splurge that money and try riding a trike instead of a Toyota. There are cruise ships going everywhere. Or is it the sole purpose of life to make money?
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-06-27 14:05:12 UTC
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How smart are our elders? .....
Not very, else there'd been 1000s of times more abortions.
I'm afraid the elderly don't abort themselves, but they become more social conservative. They become more Christian and Conservative, and so they vote Republican! Imagine, they did everything in their lives and now become social conservatives.

I would rather become more childish and ride a trike.
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-06-27 17:26:54 UTC
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Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
I'm afraid the elderly don't abort themselves, but they become more
social conservative. They become more Christian and Conservative,
and so they vote Republican! Imagine, they did everything in their
lives and now become social conservatives.
Most of the folks that I know who are truly conservative politically have become more socially liberal as they have grown older.
I don't know about that. It seems the opposition to abortion and gay rights comes from the elderly. Not that I care about gay rights.

I think this is telling:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/05/chart-generational-schism-social-issues/38320/

Still I believe the elderly are better off riding a trike. Do they know the world is overpopulated?
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-06-29 15:29:15 UTC
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Ayn Rand got medical treatment that was covered by Medicare,
despite having enough money to pay for it herself.
Wow, does that prove that people get petty and corrupt as they grow old? Or was her Libertarian image fake all along?
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-06-29 19:18:22 UTC
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Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Ayn Rand got medical treatment that was covered by Medicare,
despite having enough money to pay for it herself.
Wow, does that prove that people get petty and corrupt as they grow old? Or was her Libertarian image fake all along?
I know this is rather the exception but I know a guy who's a retired civil engineer --petty and mean, who constantly humiliates his helpers and then fires them-- and he votes... Democrat.

Engineers are idiots --arrogant and corrupt, you may say-- but his age has a lot to do with it.

In other words, the elderly shouldn't vote.

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