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Jesus should be considered an addiction
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Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2015-04-02 03:40:09 UTC
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It affects your neurons. It changes your mood negatively, leaving you depressed and suicidal. It's difficult to tell reality from daydreaming. Sometimes the daydreaming turns into nightmarish visions of Apocalypse.

In other words, religion is not a recreational drug. It's a hardcore drug.


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Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2015-04-02 17:25:40 UTC
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On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 20:35:48 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
It affects your neurons. It changes your mood negatively, leaving you depressed and suicidal. It's difficult to tell reality from daydreaming. Sometimes the daydreaming turns into nightmarish visions of Apocalypse.
In other words, religion is not a recreational drug. It's a hardcore drug.
...and especially damaging to young minds..about the same as coercing
your kids to smoke crack cocaine except you'd go to jail if you got
caught. Time to change the laws.
The difference with drug addicts is that they go to rehab to quit while the Christians get their addiction stronger by getting together.

One is looked down upon, the other is a social asset.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2015-04-03 01:56:49 UTC
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On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
I've used the term "Jesus junkies" before ......
And, for a certain segment, it's painfully true.
For a larger segment, the addiction to this sort of
fantasy isn't quite so obvious or overt ... but it's
there neverthless. People LIKE ... LOVE ... to
believe that somehow the universe is "on their
side", arranged just to make things turn out well
for humans ... especially the ones who mumble
the correct magic words to imaginary superbeings.
Marx DID have a valuable point here ... religion is
a paralytic drug of sorts, one that encourages
people to sit in squalor and do nothing - under the
assumption that someone, something, is hard at
work to make sure things turn out OK. People
under the influence of that drug are generally
useless - they'd starve to death rather than risk
meddling with the status-quo.
Regrettably, communism turned out to be another drug. Instead
of an instrument for action, it became an instrument for control.
Not unlike religion.
Well, socioeconomic paradigms can be as attractive
as a bag of crack too.
Marxism suffered from "Ivory Tower Syndrome" ... it
was something that really *sounded* like it ought to
work and had all the fine structure needed to be a
working system.
Well, 'all' except for ONE little thing - humans that actually
thought/behaved in the way Marxism required to operate
smoothly. Marxism was for some other kind of animal,
maybe robots. This flaw is kind of why the further-lefties
waste SO much time on 'social engineering' ... they think
they can, and should, turn us into something we're not
mostly just so they can screw the 'rich' people.
There are similar real -vs- ideal issues that plague those
who want to set up theocracies too.
My fear is that one of these nutty groups will someday
attempt some mass-scale drugging or genetic-engineering
campaign aimed to actually turn people into something
compatible with ideology-X. It'd be a disaster, a lot of our
human 'quirks' are there because, under various conditions
and situations, they're actually useful and aid survival.
You can be a really nice guy - but if the shit hits the fan
you may be best served by extreme selfishness and
amoral behavior. You know ... maybe lock YOURSELF
in the shelter, with all the food, until the radiation subsides.
Being TOO 'nice' cab get you killed along with everybody
else dontchaknow ....
The Marxist experiment should serve as a warning for those who hope to find paradise in the afterlife --assuming there's such a thing.

How our imperfect desires, our inclination to corruption and our unpredictable behavior will disappear to comply with God's best design? I expect God to dress everybody the same, feed everybody the same and enforce strict discipline.

Such transformation is as unlikely as afterlife itself. In other words, perfection is not a human trait. Yes, we can do this world much better and we should work toward it. Action is the opposite of Marxism and Christianity.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2015-04-04 14:26:50 UTC
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On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 18:52:49 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
The Marxist experiment should serve as a warning for those
who hope to find paradise in the afterlife --assuming there's
such a thing.
"Good", practical, socioeconomics is always a kludge - a
bunch of quasi-incompatible stuff bound together with
duct tape. THAT is what's proper for human beings with
their billion years of field-tested evolutionary quirks. The
more 'organized' and 'logical' and 'pure' you try to get
with such things the less humans will put up with it.
"Afterlife" ? Worms & bacteria I'm afraid. I'd suggest
deep-freezing ... even a 1/10,000 chance is better
than NO chance. IMHO, if there's to be a proper sort
of "afterlife" then WE are gonna have to CONSTRUCT
one. The technical hurdles will be great, true, but not
insurmountable. Maybe a little "state of being" recorder
implant in everyones skull ... that can be downloaded
to a VR or maybe even uploaded into a replacement You.
Pay more and your 'state' gets backed-up more often :-)
I agree with you. Maybe they can plant your mind in a computer's chip. "TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" would be a computer telling the world how ridiculous it is. Alternatively they could recreate the mind of Jesus telling the Christians the proper way to worship and behave. The priests, the monks and the nuns would be redundant, a step in the right direction. The Pope would be executed.

If there's a Heaven, ruled by an old wise God with a beard, he would have solved the hurdles faced by Marx and his theory. He would reprogrammed all the Christian minds to be like sheep. That's the end of unhappiness. God's communism will succeed with sheep.

Now we can go and face this silly world being a little bit wiser. I'm going to wash the laundry, a great metaphor for the species.
High Miles
2015-04-04 21:48:10 UTC
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Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 18:52:49 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
The Marxist experiment should serve as a warning for those
who hope to find paradise in the afterlife --assuming there's
such a thing.
"Good", practical, socioeconomics is always a kludge - a
bunch of quasi-incompatible stuff bound together with
duct tape. THAT is what's proper for human beings with
their billion years of field-tested evolutionary quirks. The
more 'organized' and 'logical' and 'pure' you try to get
with such things the less humans will put up with it.
"Afterlife" ? Worms & bacteria I'm afraid. I'd suggest
deep-freezing ... even a 1/10,000 chance is better
than NO chance. IMHO, if there's to be a proper sort
of "afterlife" then WE are gonna have to CONSTRUCT
one. The technical hurdles will be great, true, but not
insurmountable. Maybe a little "state of being" recorder
implant in everyones skull ... that can be downloaded
to a VR or maybe even uploaded into a replacement You.
Pay more and your 'state' gets backed-up more often :-)
I agree with you. Maybe they can plant your mind in a computer's chip. "TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" would be a computer telling the world how ridiculous it is. Alternatively they could recreate the mind of Jesus telling the Christians the proper way to worship and behave. The priests, the monks and the nuns would be redundant, a step in the right direction. The Pope would be executed.
Exiled would be plenty.

If there's a Heaven, ruled by an old wise God with a beard, he would
have solved the hurdles faced by Marx and his theory. He would
reprogrammed all the Christian minds to be like sheep. That's the end of
unhappiness. God's communism will succeed with sheep. Now we can go and
face this silly world being a little bit wiser. I'm going to wash the
laundry, a great metaphor for the species.

No self respecting god would have any of the mess here.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2015-04-04 22:06:58 UTC
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Post by High Miles
Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 18:52:49 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
The Marxist experiment should serve as a warning for those
who hope to find paradise in the afterlife --assuming there's
such a thing.
"Good", practical, socioeconomics is always a kludge - a
bunch of quasi-incompatible stuff bound together with
duct tape. THAT is what's proper for human beings with
their billion years of field-tested evolutionary quirks. The
more 'organized' and 'logical' and 'pure' you try to get
with such things the less humans will put up with it.
"Afterlife" ? Worms & bacteria I'm afraid. I'd suggest
deep-freezing ... even a 1/10,000 chance is better
than NO chance. IMHO, if there's to be a proper sort
of "afterlife" then WE are gonna have to CONSTRUCT
one. The technical hurdles will be great, true, but not
insurmountable. Maybe a little "state of being" recorder
implant in everyones skull ... that can be downloaded
to a VR or maybe even uploaded into a replacement You.
Pay more and your 'state' gets backed-up more often :-)
I agree with you. Maybe they can plant your mind in a computer's chip. "TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" would be a computer telling the world how ridiculous it is. Alternatively they could recreate the mind of Jesus telling the Christians the proper way to worship and behave. The priests, the monks and the nuns would be redundant, a step in the right direction. The Pope would be executed.
Exiled would be plenty.
God cursed Adam & Eve --and thus humanity-- for something very insignificant. The Pope has broken several taboos such as admitting evolution.
Post by High Miles
If there's a Heaven, ruled by an old wise God with a beard, he would
have solved the hurdles faced by Marx and his theory. He would
reprogrammed all the Christian minds to be like sheep. That's the end of
unhappiness. God's communism will succeed with sheep. Now we can go and
face this silly world being a little bit wiser. I'm going to wash the
laundry, a great metaphor for the species.
No self respecting god would have any of the mess here.
They justify this mess by claiming Satan is behind it. The question is why God allows Satan to roam free.
High Miles
2015-04-04 23:04:19 UTC
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Post by High Miles
Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 18:52:49 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
The Marxist experiment should serve as a warning for those
who hope to find paradise in the afterlife --assuming there's
such a thing.
"Good", practical, socioeconomics is always a kludge - a
bunch of quasi-incompatible stuff bound together with
duct tape. THAT is what's proper for human beings with
their billion years of field-tested evolutionary quirks. The
more 'organized' and 'logical' and 'pure' you try to get
with such things the less humans will put up with it.
"Afterlife" ? Worms & bacteria I'm afraid. I'd suggest
deep-freezing ... even a 1/10,000 chance is better
than NO chance. IMHO, if there's to be a proper sort
of "afterlife" then WE are gonna have to CONSTRUCT
one. The technical hurdles will be great, true, but not
insurmountable. Maybe a little "state of being" recorder
implant in everyones skull ... that can be downloaded
to a VR or maybe even uploaded into a replacement You.
Pay more and your 'state' gets backed-up more often :-)
I agree with you. Maybe they can plant your mind in a computer's chip. "TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" would be a computer telling the world how ridiculous it is. Alternatively they could recreate the mind of Jesus telling the Christians the proper way to worship and behave. The priests, the monks and the nuns would be redundant, a step in the right direction. The Pope would be executed.
Exiled would be plenty.
God cursed Adam & Eve --and thus humanity-- for something very insignificant. The Pope has broken several taboos such as admitting evolution.
Post by High Miles
If there's a Heaven, ruled by an old wise God with a beard, he would
have solved the hurdles faced by Marx and his theory. He would
reprogrammed all the Christian minds to be like sheep. That's the end of
unhappiness. God's communism will succeed with sheep. Now we can go and
face this silly world being a little bit wiser. I'm going to wash the
laundry, a great metaphor for the species.
No self respecting god would have any of the mess here.
They justify this mess by claiming Satan is behind it. The question is why God allows Satan to roam free.
No question at all if they realize that both of those critters are made up.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2015-04-05 03:59:41 UTC
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Post by High Miles
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They justify this mess by claiming Satan is behind it. The question is why God allows Satan to roam free.
No question at all if they realize that both of those critters are made up.
Not only they are made up. They don't make any sense.

It sounds like a story for small kids.
High Miles
2015-04-08 15:03:21 UTC
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Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
They justify this mess by claiming Satan is behind it. The question is why God allows Satan to roam free.
No question at all if they realize that both of those critters are made up.
Not only they are made up. They don't make any sense.
It sounds like a story for small kids.
It always has been.
Religion is just the old carrot and stick proposition ~ over and over.
You grow up, and get past it.

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