At what point you should jump from a bridge?

[Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises]

The amazing answer is "never." But we should make the old feel proud and strong, social and fit. In order to do that we should change the system.

El 15/03/15 a las 17:06, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher

You would think people in Miami would be happier in Miami than New York, but that's not the case.

Have you a reference to that surprinsing data?

How about the fact that people live longer in New York?
"Lead researcher Ali Mokdad said the reduction is largely thanks to aggressive efforts by city health officials to simply take away unhealthy choices from residents. The health department has, for example, banned trans fats, prohibited smoking in public spaces and hiked taxes on cigarettes. It has also rolled out hundreds of miles of new bicycle lanes, mandated the use of calorie labels on menus in chain restaurants and plastered posters up in subways with information about the risks of obesity and the benefits of preventive health services."
http://www.livescience.com/20964-life-expectancy-nyc.html
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People in NYC are not sitting on their ass waiting for diseases and death to come to them. They go out, walk and socialize.
That's all part of my wisdom.

Wisdom starts by asking yourself "do I want to become that old?"

82 is the average in NY, not terribly old.
Bottom line is quality of life, keeping active and social, something possible in NY.

Two things we do NOT want:

1- Do something Hitler would do, and very importantly; 2- Keep the old driving.

We want them healthy and fit, social, not dangerous. We want them to know how dysfunctional their community is, something they ignore in Miami. Here the old are as corrupt as the politicians they put in place. We do not want that.


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[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

some guy said that he felt suicidal over the past (he's not a Christian) so I said, "well, if you're thinking about that, think about the great and awesome things that you could do."
it's funny that people who think about suicide don't think about going to an amusement part to ride a roller coaster or do something really outrageously fun, instead.
But that's what happens when the demons keep you blind to your real situation.

There may be people who would jump from a bridge tempted to find if there's god.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

saw a possible Florida suicide this afternoon on 44 way into Edgewater. Crime scene.
We went thru single file as ordered.
White Caravan type went off the outside of a flatout right, went across the steep dpwn graded median hit a red Blazer whose windshield was crushed went down the berm and during this rolled over once coming to rest in the opposite direction.
Kinetic !

is that near Lake Helen?
http://www.ctnow.com/news/sns-bc-fl--fatal-crash-20150313,0,5412860.story

When you are tempted to commit suicide, go out and ride a bike!

[High Miles]

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saw a possible Florida suicide this afternoon on 44 way into Edgewater. Crime scene.
We went thru single file as ordered.
White Caravan type went off the outside of a flatout right, went across the steep dpwn graded median hit a red Blazer whose windshield was crushed went down the berm and during this rolled over once coming to rest in the opposite direction.
Kinetic !

is that near Lake Helen?
http://www.ctnow.com/news/sns-bc-fl--fatal-crash-20150313,0,5412860.story

When you are tempted to commit suicide, go out and ride a bike!

Or
Eat a great meal and get laid.

[5***@gmail.com]

it's funny that people who think about suicide don't think about going to an amusement part to ride a roller coaster or do something really outrageously fun, instead.

Unfortunately, the mind fixates on things it fears, especially if it can't find a way to escape from or defeat the thing it fears. Eventually, one may become overwhelmed and feel helpless, depressed, and even suicidal. This is a form of chronic stress, and it is entirely emotional.

A more rational approach to depression is to follow the poster's recommendation to distract yourself by going to an amusement park and riding the roller coaster. I prefer to go outside into my tropical Miami garden, stand in the sunlight, and watch the lizards play.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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it's funny that people who think about suicide don't think about going to an amusement part to ride a roller coaster or do something really outrageously fun, instead.

Unfortunately, the mind fixates on things it fears, especially if it can't find a way to escape from or defeat the thing it fears. Eventually, one may become overwhelmed and feel helpless, depressed, and even suicidal. This is a form of chronic stress, and it is entirely emotional.
A more rational approach to depression is to follow the poster's recommendation to distract yourself by going to an amusement park and riding the roller coaster. I prefer to go outside into my tropical Miami garden, stand in the sunlight, and watch the lizards play.

So long as you stay in the Miami garden things are OK. The minute you try to ride a bicycle to defeat stress, you come into some sort of conflict, either with pedestrians or worse, drivers.

I'm absolutely static in my 12th story balcony and have no intention of jumping.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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Post by 5***@gmail.com

it's funny that people who think about suicide don't think about going to an amusement part to ride a roller coaster or do something really outrageously fun, instead.

Unfortunately, the mind fixates on things it fears, especially if it can't find a way to escape from or defeat the thing it fears. Eventually, one may become overwhelmed and feel helpless, depressed, and even suicidal. This is a form of chronic stress, and it is entirely emotional.
A more rational approach to depression is to follow the poster's recommendation to distract yourself by going to an amusement park and riding the roller coaster. I prefer to go outside into my tropical Miami garden, stand in the sunlight, and watch the lizards play.

So long as you stay in the Miami garden things are OK. The minute you try to ride a bicycle to defeat stress, you come into some sort of conflict, either with pedestrians or worse, drivers.
I'm absolutely static in my 12th story balcony and have no intention of jumping.

I meant ecstatic but static. In my wisdom you must keep moving until you drop. So the Buddha was never fully wise.

[5***@gmail.com]

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I'm absolutely static in my 12th story balcony and have no intention of jumping.

Ignore those people who would say that from your 12th storey (I prefer storey) balcony you have a view 'to die for'. Personally, I cross over to the other side of the street just to avoid encountering such people. They are annoyingly irrational. If you would die for something, then it should be obvious that you wouldn't be around to enjoy it. It is more sensible to say that you have a view to live for, in my opinion.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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I'm absolutely static in my 12th story balcony and have no intention of jumping.

Ignore those people who would say that from your 12th storey (I prefer storey) balcony you have a view 'to die for'. Personally, I cross over to the other side of the street just to avoid encountering such people. They are annoyingly irrational. If you would die for something, then it should be obvious that you wouldn't be around to enjoy it. It is more sensible to say that you have a view to live for, in my opinion.

After coming from the a "cage" surrounded by low life characters, this is something to live for. Not only I'm high up, but I'm facing the right mix of green upscale community, ghetto and traffic. My binoculars provide me plenty of live entertainment. One street is no-man's land (that where they are doing this "construction, destruction, corruption" game), but the other is reasonably safe to ride a bike, partly because it's all broken up. I hope it remains that way, so I can practice my "dynamic" and "static" wisdom.

I had a nice garden where I was before but there was more than one snake crawling around. And the community was definitely crappy and corrupt. It was pushing me toward depression and slow suicide --sitting down for hours is slow suicide-- but I escaped in time. Mind you, the former community --considered Mecca by South American oligarchs-- had a much higher average income than this one. A glamorous "elderly center," the center of corruption, remains unopened but they keep throwing money at it after several years.

What are the unwise elderly doing? They've got a new "free trolley" in the meantime. What a weird sense of priorities they've got there. The sidewalks are all dysfunctional, and traffic is wild and dangerous. Nobody dares tame traffic.

[59Fiat600 Rossa]

Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
I had a nice garden where I was before but there was more than one snake crawling around. And the community was definitely crappy and corrupt. It was pushing me toward depression and slow suicide --sitting down for hours is slow suicide-- but I escaped in time.

Well done. The way to induce stress in an experimental rat in a laboratory is to make him feel helpless by immobilizing him. Such rats will eventually become depressed and they may die of stress. You were trapped, I imagine, and you felt helpless and depressed. The traps in question are usually social entanglements, and the stress in question is called social stress. If you have the courage to disentangle yourself, you can simply get up and walk away.

I have always felt great elation when I have escaped from some prison, such as a school or a job.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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I had a nice garden where I was before but there was more than one snake crawling around. And the community was definitely crappy and corrupt. It was pushing me toward depression and slow suicide --sitting down for hours is slow suicide-- but I escaped in time.

Well done. The way to induce stress in an experimental rat in a laboratory is to make him feel helpless by immobilizing him. Such rats will eventually become depressed and they may die of stress. You were trapped, I imagine, and you felt helpless and depressed. The traps in question are usually social entanglements, and the stress in question is called social stress. If you have the courage to disentangle yourself, you can simply get up and walk away.
I have always felt great elation when I have escaped from some prison, such as a school or a job.

I highly value the studies done on rats because they are not hypocritical.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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I had a nice garden where I was before but there was more than one snake crawling around. And the community was definitely crappy and corrupt. It was pushing me toward depression and slow suicide --sitting down for hours is slow suicide-- but I escaped in time.

Well done. The way to induce stress in an experimental rat in a laboratory is to make him feel helpless by immobilizing him. Such rats will eventually become depressed and they may die of stress. You were trapped, I imagine, and you felt helpless and depressed. The traps in question are usually social entanglements, and the stress in question is called social stress. If you have the courage to disentangle yourself, you can simply get up and walk away.
I have always felt great elation when I have escaped from some prison, such as a school or a job.

I highly value the studies done on rats because they are not hypocritical.

Oh I forgot: Humans are NOT natural-born liars. They do it because of their social class or special privileges. Or because they want to cheat on their partners. Or because they find it colorful.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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I had a nice garden where I was before but there was more than one snake crawling around. And the community was definitely crappy and corrupt. It was pushing me toward depression and slow suicide --sitting down for hours is slow suicide-- but I escaped in time.

Well done. The way to induce stress in an experimental rat in a laboratory is to make him feel helpless by immobilizing him. Such rats will eventually become depressed and they may die of stress. You were trapped, I imagine, and you felt helpless and depressed. The traps in question are usually social entanglements, and the stress in question is called social stress. If you have the courage to disentangle yourself, you can simply get up and walk away.
I have always felt great elation when I have escaped from some prison, such as a school or a job.

I highly value the studies done on rats because they are not hypocritical.

Oh I forgot: Humans are NOT natural-born liars. They do it because of their social class or special privileges. Or because they want to cheat on their partners. Or because they find it colorful.

Anyway, I must confess I was praying for WWIII to come and wipe out all the local corruption. Not anymore, I still see the corruption but this community somehow has a better quality of life than the more affluent community where I lived before. Mind you, those who could afford it lived in gated communities or high rises. Somehow this separates the monkeys from the lions. I see real people around here. People trying to have a quality of life within limited means. Monkeys having fun, so to speak.

Let me put it in a poetic way: The birds sing around here. That's because the cat population is under control. Where I was before there were hundreds of fat cats being hand-fed by some cat lovers who didn't care about the cat crap and the birds being chased away.

Just before you think lowly of me for praying for WWIII, I must say in my defense that I don't believe in prayers. I believe in action. If your community is crappy, let's turn it happy.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

You should never jump off a bridge ... find the
person who makes you wanna jump off a bridge
and throw THEM over instead :-)

There's a lot of wisdom in that piece of advice. But you must find an excuse to invite him to the bridge. And you must make it look like he committed suicide.

[Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises]

Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher

You should never jump off a bridge ... find the
person who makes you wanna jump off a bridge
and throw THEM over instead :-)

There's a lot of wisdom in that piece of advice. But you must find an excuse to invite him to the bridge. And you must make it look like he committed suicide.

What about if an angel comes and picks you up in the middle of the fall? Would that make you feel better?

[59Fiat600 Rossa]

Jumping off a bridge with the intention of self-extinction does not strike me as the right thing to do. Engineers have gone to great lengths to design bridges so travellers can cross a body of water safely. It would be a selfish misuse of a bridge to jump off of it. Bridge jumpers are people who want to attract attention by making a big splash, quite literally. Why not stay at home and read the newspaper?

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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Jumping off a bridge with the intention of self-extinction does not strike me as the right thing to do. Engineers have gone to great lengths to design bridges so travellers can cross a body of water safely. It would be a selfish misuse of a bridge to jump off of it. Bridge jumpers are people who want to attract attention by making a big splash, quite literally. Why not stay at home and read the newspaper?

Reading the newspaper is the most depressing thing in the world. The bridges weren't made to get people across a body a water. They were made to facilitate fast travel for cars. You an accident in the design.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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Anyway, I must confess I was praying for WWIII to come and wipe out all the local corruption. Not anymore, I still see the corruption but this community somehow has a better quality of life than the more affluent community where I lived before. Mind you, those who could afford it lived in gated communities or high rises. Somehow this separates the monkeys from the lions. I see real people around here. People trying to have a quality of life within limited means. Monkeys having fun, so to speak.

Any system has a certain level of corruption; it's inevitable. Nor is
it in principle objectionable -- as long as it does not lead to damage
for other parties. If a local mayor shunts the contract for fixing the
potholes on the Main Street to his brother in law, that is a problem
only if and when the work is not done to a satisfactory standard and
price. This sort of practice can protect small communities and
strengthen local ties.

Then nothing differentiates the local governments from the mafia, except that the mafia is illegal and the government officials are legally elected by a majority, which in reality is a minority that cares to vote in exchange for certain privileges.
In a democracy this should be challenged by a population that sees their money go down the drain in wasteful pursuits, sometimes creating safety hazards where there was none.
In Italy the mafia was behind the massive construction of highways in Sicily and the government was mandated by the EU to return the money. Highways are always needed but fancy elderly centers are just monuments to corruption. They don't even care to open them promptly and providing a service.

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Let me put it in a poetic way: The birds sing around here. That's because the cat population is under control. Where I was before there were hundreds of fat cats being hand-fed by some cat lovers who didn't care about the cat crap and the birds being chased away.

Cats do not chase away birds.
Cats *kill* birds.
Not sure about US figures, but in Britain around 55 million songbirds
are estimated to fall prey to cats...

Cats do kill birds in the wild but also keep away the birds. Here they are too fat to actually give them a chase and kill them. At any rate, feral cats are not less a dangerous invasive species than the Burmese pythons that now threaten many species in the Everglades.

My old community:

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Poor little kitty. Nothing to play with, not even a mouse or a bird.

The center for the unwise elderly:

(not yet opened after 5 years in the making)

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Free TV set!

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My new community:

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac18/thetibetanmonkey/CORRUPTION/021714145635_zps7e74fe69.jpg

Is that something inviting to go out and walk? That was today. After a long walk I got to the park and the public restroom was "out of service." Should I go to the bushes? Beware the police station is right there!

At this rate they'll do "nation building" in America the way they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess they weren't patient enough to wait for the final outcome. ;)

[Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises]

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Is that something inviting to go out and walk? That was today. After a long walk I got to the park and the public restroom was "out of service." Should I go to the bushes? Beware the police station is right there!

Sorry, this is my new community:

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Take into account that the budget of the local government in this community is a fraction of what it is in the old community. Yet, people tend to keep this community free of litter but not corruption. That's too much for people to fight.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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Is that something inviting to go out and walk? That was today. After a long walk I got to the park and the public restroom was "out of service." Should I go to the bushes? Beware the police station is right there!

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac18/thetibetanmonkey/CORRUPTION/temporary_zpsad60c030.jpg
Take into account that the budget of the local government in this community is a fraction of what it is in the old community. Yet, people tend to keep this community free of litter but not corruption. That's too much for people to fight.

So long as they have people fighting each other on the roads (road rage), and fighting for survival in general, people won't see the lion that's eating them.

The new tolls and red light cameras are perhaps too much for the poor to endure. They must either give up driving or face the lion. I'm ready to give up driving.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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Is that something inviting to go out and walk? That was today. After a long walk I got to the park and the public restroom was "out of service." Should I go to the bushes? Beware the police station is right there!

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac18/thetibetanmonkey/CORRUPTION/temporary_zpsad60c030.jpg
Take into account that the budget of the local government in this community is a fraction of what it is in the old community. Yet, people tend to keep this community free of litter but not corruption. That's too much for people to fight.

Well, I decided not to jump because humanity is jumping into the abyss anyway and I want to see the end. I want to see those mushroom clouds, which are said to be beautiful.

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Anyway, I must confess I was praying for WWIII to come and wipe out all the local corruption. Not anymore, I still see the corruption but this community somehow has a better quality of life than the more affluent community where I lived before. Mind you, those who could afford it lived in gated communities or high rises. Somehow this separates the monkeys from the lions. I see real people around here. People trying to have a quality of life within limited means. Monkeys having fun, so to speak.

A naive idea. The only reason that primitive societies don't have corruption is that the leaders take whatever they want from you openly and by right instead of having to steal it.

Then why we launched a revolution against the legitimate government in Ukraine? One of the things I hear they suffered from was corruption.

It is _possible_ for these foreign guys to do something on their own initiative without the prompting of the CIA, you know.

Not likely in view of the support they got after the coup/revolution.

That's mostly that the EU felt pretty screwed over by the incumbent, who came to power promising to make a treaty with them.

The EU is not even palatable to the UK, why do you assume the Ukrainian people would be so crazy about it? I think the EU is good, but not that good to die for.

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That doesn't mean we were involved in starting it, just that we found it convenient when it did happen.

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Will any uprising against corruption get logistic support from the West? In Iraq you better pretended not to see the corruption, but it exploded in a big way later.

It was there all along. I doubt we could have done much even if we were more concerned with it.

You are so supportive of the coup/revolution that you are even willing to risk WWIII. The EU is not that crazy, but America and the UK are, countries that by far do NOT meet European standards or values.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

Above the deepest water.,

Jesus can change your life.
Don't jump!

I like my life and I'm changing it by
going to grad school. So, no thanks.

It would be foolish to jump,
so don't even think about it.
Jesus can change your life.

Jesus must have been suicidal when he lent himself to the crucifiction. I think he was tired of preaching and rejection.

[High Miles]

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Above the deepest water.,

Jesus can change your life.
Don't jump!

I like my life and I'm changing it by
going to grad school. So, no thanks.

It would be foolish to jump,
so don't even think about it.
Jesus can change your life.

Jesus must have been suicidal when he lent himself to the crucifiction. I think he was tired of preaching and rejection.

Jesus can't change a thing.
If he ever existed..............................he's dead now.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher

Above the deepest water.,

Jesus can change your life.
Don't jump!

I like my life and I'm changing it by
going to grad school. So, no thanks.

It would be foolish to jump,
so don't even think about it.
Jesus can change your life.

Jesus must have been suicidal when he lent himself to the crucifiction. I think he was tired of preaching and rejection.

Jesus can't change a thing.
If he ever existed..............................he's dead now.

But God could make a carbon copy of Jesus if he wanted, right?

[High Miles]

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Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher

Above the deepest water.,

Jesus can change your life.
Don't jump!

I like my life and I'm changing it by
going to grad school. So, no thanks.

It would be foolish to jump,
so don't even think about it.
Jesus can change your life.

Jesus must have been suicidal when he lent himself to the crucifiction. I think he was tired of preaching and rejection.

Jesus can't change a thing.
If he ever existed..............................he's dead now.

But God could make a carbon copy of Jesus if he wanted, right?

Hell no.
And who is he anyway :?

[Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises]

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Above the deepest water.,

Jesus can change your life.
Don't jump!

I like my life and I'm changing it by
going to grad school. So, no thanks.

It would be foolish to jump,
so don't even think about it.
Jesus can change your life.

Jesus must have been suicidal when he lent himself to the crucifiction. I think he was tired of preaching and rejection.

Jesus can't change a thing.
If he ever existed..............................he's dead now.

But God could make a carbon copy of Jesus if he wanted, right?

Hell no.
And who is he anyway :?

We cloned a lamb, didn't we? ;)

[59Fiat600 Rossa]

Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jesus must have been suicidal when he lent himself to the crucifiction. I think he was tired of preaching and rejection.

Knowing nothing, I must leave such matters in the capable hands of the philosophers and the wise. I am told, however, that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. "Agnus dei qui tollis peccata mundi, ... (Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, ...") So the role of Jesus was that of the sacrificial lamb of Judaism.

What would have happened to Christianity if the mean old Romans had not run around tying people to crosses? There would be no crucifixes and no signs of the cross. The symbol of Christianity might have been a lamb, instead.

[Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher]

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Jesus must have been suicidal when he lent himself to the crucifiction. I think he was tired of preaching and rejection.

Knowing nothing, I must leave such matters in the capable hands of the philosophers and the wise. I am told, however, that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. "Agnus dei qui tollis peccata mundi, ... (Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, ...") So the role of Jesus was that of the sacrificial lamb of Judaism.
What would have happened to Christianity if the mean old Romans had not run around tying people to crosses? There would be no crucifixes and no signs of the cross. The symbol of Christianity might have been a lamb, instead.

Those are deep questions for philosophers:

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[High Miles]

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Jesus must have been suicidal when he lent himself to the crucifiction. I think he was tired of preaching and rejection.

Knowing nothing, I must leave such matters in the capable hands of the philosophers and the wise. I am told, however, that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. "Agnus dei qui tollis peccata mundi, ... (Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, ...") So the role of Jesus was that of the sacrificial lamb of Judaism.
What would have happened to Christianity if the mean old Romans had not run around tying people to crosses? There would be no crucifixes and no signs of the cross. The symbol of Christianity might have been a lamb, instead.

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Thanks for the morning chuckle. :-D

[Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises]

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Jesus must have been suicidal when he lent himself to the crucifiction. I think he was tired of preaching and rejection.

Knowing nothing, I must leave such matters in the capable hands of the philosophers and the wise. I am told, however, that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. "Agnus dei qui tollis peccata mundi, ... (Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, ...") So the role of Jesus was that of the sacrificial lamb of Judaism.
What would have happened to Christianity if the mean old Romans had not run around tying people to crosses? There would be no crucifixes and no signs of the cross. The symbol of Christianity might have been a lamb, instead.

http://tag-fox.com/upload/2014/01/06/20140106104146-a162035b.jpg

Thanks for the morning chuckle. :-D

God and a sense of humor are unique to the human species.

[Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises]

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Jesus must have been suicidal when he lent himself to the crucifiction. I think he was tired of preaching and rejection.

Knowing nothing, I must leave such matters in the capable hands of the philosophers and the wise. I am told, however, that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. "Agnus dei qui tollis peccata mundi, ... (Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, ...") So the role of Jesus was that of the sacrificial lamb of Judaism.
What would have happened to Christianity if the mean old Romans had not run around tying people to crosses? There would be no crucifixes and no signs of the cross. The symbol of Christianity might have been a lamb, instead.

http://tag-fox.com/upload/2014/01/06/20140106104146-a162035b.jpg

Thanks for the morning chuckle. :-D

God and a sense of humor are unique to the human species.

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